Yes, Bill, I’m afraid we are. Your point about Mo Farah is spot on. This country welcomed him before anyone knew what he would be; Porter was embraced for purely avaricious reasons on both sides – it suited her, because she wasn’t going to make the American team, it suited us because she was better than what we had. Some excuse this as all part of Britain’s great cultural melting pot. It isn’t. Farah’s story represents the kindness and achievement in modern British society; Porter’s story is naked ambition and greed.
Man in the middle: Manchester United youngster Adnan Januzaj is at the centre of the latest debate
Well, he hasn’t declared for either yet. Why haven’t Albania picked him – that is what I don’t understand. Although it’s fair to say some are getting their hopes up.
Look I know I shouldn’t rise to this one, but I just can’t help it. Look mate, England are two wins away from qualifying outright, and may need only a win and a draw, depending on other results, but for Albania to reach the play-offs, they have to beat a Swiss team that has not conceded a goal away from home all campaign, defeat Cyprus, and hope Iceland, who must also play Cyprus, do not pick up four points from two games. Back-to-back wins for Slovenia and Norway would also render Albania powerless. So to say they are in a similar position to England is simple nonsense. As for winning the 2022 World Cup, how about reaching one first? I’m no England cheerleader and if Januzaj wishes to play for Albania, good luck to him - but, come on, we don’t have to take this.
Screamer: Januzaj scored both Manchester United goals in the win over Sunderland last weekend
Yes, but that is the point of international sport. In many cases it is not a matter of choice. One of the biggest myths is that Ryan Giggs chose to play for Wales. He didn’t. He couldn’t have played for any other country. The only way Januzaj can choose England is if he doesn’t play international football until 2018 and the Football Association renege on an agreement with the other Home Nations. How does that benefit him, or reflect well on English football? Oh, and by the way – I’m going to choose Belgium right now.
After all of Greg Dyke's criticisms, English youngsters soon won't be able to get a game for England, let alone the Premier League clubs. Brad, London.
Good
point, Brad. Did you see him grappling with that little inconsistency
in interviews yesterday? As I pointed out on speech day, Dyke will do
and say whatever suits him at the time. So foreign managers were fine
when it benefited him at Brentford, foreign players great when he was a
director at Manchester United, and now he’s chairman of the Football
Association, he’s come over all John Bull. And then up pops Januzaj and
suddenly it’s not about giving English players a chance any more. It’s
about pretending that Belgians are English, because that is what is
pragmatic. There is no grand plan, just a set of principles tried on and
discarded once inconvenient, as always.
Well
I’m not as much of a stickler as that, Sue. I think rules of
nationality governing parents, even grandparents, and rules governing
education – such as the qualification by five years of schooling – are
permissible. Even residency rules are not entirely alien, if each case
it taken on merit so a country does not become a flag of convenience. It
is when we talk of trying to entice a player away from another country
that I desert the cause. Why should we be attempting to influence a
teenager against the country of his birth, or the country of his
ancestors? It does not seem ethical. So not exactly England for the
English – but not England for the Albanians just because we’re bigger,
richer and more powerful.
England for the English? Jack Wilshere had plenty to say on the subject ahead of the Montenegro clash
Inconsistent: Football Association chairman Greg Dyke will do and say what suits him at the time
Do you mean Churchill the wartime Prime Minister, or Churchill the nodding dog that sells insurance? This would certainly explain your expert canine knowledge.
And
yet, Brutos, here you are in London. So you will know what a
mesmerising breed of races and nationalities this city – and a great
many others in Britain – has. And for the best part, we rub along. The
odd racist nutjob on the train, or a word said during a football match,
is rare enough to make the national news or dominate the agenda for
days. We can’t help our colonial past but, considering the complex
society that modern Britain has become, the levels of tolerance are
largely outstanding. Do not think that the Januzaj issue is about
xenophobia or racism; it’s about cheating in sport and the very British
notion of fair play. Many of us feel it is wrong to entice a player of
another nationality for our own ends. We do not think that is fair. We
believe the English game should be better than that. This does not make
us intolerant of foreigners; quite the opposite, in fact. Januzaj should
be allowed to be Belgian or Albanian – not wrapped in the cross of St
George and as good as kidnapped.
I think the issues are different, Lornao, although nationality and employment law is becoming increasingly complex.
Flying high: Belgium fans waved their team off
to Croatia where a draw will book their place at next year's World Cup
in Brazil - but Januzaj has still not decided who he will play for on
the international stage
I agree. Yet even if we didn’t have talent coming through it still wouldn’t be right to play fast and loose with matters of national qualification.
Because international sport is meant to be above such naked opportunism. Pietersen does, however, have English parentage. He is a very different case to Januzaj.
Antd, London.
Trott has English grandparents, though. In football terms, he would qualify as an Englishman.
Do I, LB. Every time I write about nationality issues, Zola Budd gets thrown at me as if I was responsible for this newspaper’s intervention in her case in 1984.
He's coming to get you: The child snatcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang could get a job with the FA
And that proves what, Alex? That fans are as pragmatic, opportunistic and self-serving as the Football Association. Hardly an argument clincher is it?
Yes,
but Podolski’s family emigrated to Germany when he was two, and he was
brought up in Bergheim and Pulheim, therefore fulfilling the five years
education criteria that previously seemed so important to the FA. Klose
came to live with his father in Germany at the age of eight, so the same
applies.
Indeed
it does. Costa has already played at least two full internationals for
Brazil, against Italy and Russia, in non-competitive fixtures, which
actually makes it worse. FIFA have granted permission for the switch and
I read Guillem Balague saying it is great news for Spain. Me, I think
stuff like this devalues international football and all involved should
be ashamed. ‘Cynical chancers’ isn’t the half of it – I find the idea
that it is OK for us because it is OK for them demeaning, too. We should
rise above it.
You've got to be joking: 'Spain's former Brazilian star Diego Costa' just doesn't sound right
Because international football is not a battle between representative league teams, David. When the Premier League can take on La Liga in the World Cup final, that is the day we can claim club players as our own. So what if Januzaj leaves Manchester United for Juventus – does he then become Italian?
That would be Mesut Ozil born in Gelsenkirchen, Sami Khedira born in Stuttgart and Zinedine Zidane born in Marseille, yes? Well spotted, Hawkeye. I can see where you got that nickname.
And they’ve probably got record shops where you can pick this one up for tuppence. 'There’s this track,' I said to Clive in Flying. 'It sounds like an airplane is taking off in the club. But madder than that.'
It's down to Januzaj, if he decides that he wants to wait and play for England, that is his decision. The current Spain side started their period of domination by playing Marcos Senna, a Brazilian. You miss the critical element – it’s about an 18-year-old lad and should be down to him. Matt, Manchester.
An 18-year-old lad that has not once, to my knowledge, expressed a public desire to play for England. Senna was approaching 30 when he made his debut for Spain. Still doesn’t make it right, but we can at least presume he knew his own mind without the child snatchers coming to call.
Hard to forget: Zola Budd and her bare feet running for Great Britain after coming from South Africa
Take It As Red, Oldham.
It is not backwards to think the national team has meaning beyond winning by any means necessary. It might even be progress.
Sgtpluck, Almería.
I think a wealthy football club gave him the support, more than the Spanish government, Sarge.
Steadfast, Winchester.
Zaha
was here from age four, Berahino from age 10. Getting back to the
brilliant point made earlier by Bill from Barnsley, this country
welcomed them before we knew they were good at sport. The Januzaj case
is entirely different in its opportunism. And the idea that he is an
easier target being a white European is real chip on the shoulder
rubbish.
Great expectations: Wilfried Zaha, training with the England Under 21s, has lived in the UK since he was four
Peter, London.
Yes, I do think we are getting a little overexcited. I suppose it is not so much the player, though, but what his status represents.
IHendy, Scotland.
Indeed it would. It’s what happens when you’re out of ideas.
Footy? What the f*** is footy?
Fergus Sira-Lexon, England.
I
think there are too many people out there who will just accept any
success, no matter its spirit, Ferg. They hide behind the idea of a
global melting pot, when it is really plain old opportunism.
Different ball game: Kevin Pietersen, born in South Africa, has played for England's Test side since 2005
Big
deal. So they qualify for England and Poland through parentage and
Switzerland through naturalisation and, one presumes, schooling. None of
this applies to Januzaj and his relationship with England, unless he
postpones his international career until 2018, when he will already be
23. Michael Owen had 53 caps by the time he turned 24; Wayne Rooney had
56. One hopes Januzaj is getting better advice from his dad than to let
his international career pass by while he stands on the sidelines. He
could even make it to Brazil with Belgium if he commits this season.
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